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18th July 2010, 06:15 PM #1
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Hey,

Been looking for a filter.

I know I know...zeiss in SG is damn expensive, and a good friend of mine basically said "Hoya, cheap and good".

I'm however able to get brand new Zeiss Circular Polarizer at half price, which brings it so about $20-30 more than a Hoya filter. If it's really that much better, I wouldn't mind spending the difference. It helps that I know the lens cap will fit the zeiss filter nicely.

So, my question is...how do they compare?

It's really hard to find side by side comparisons and reviews online.

Would be nice to have bros who have experience with the different filters share their opninions.

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18th July 2010, 06:36 PM #2
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well if i were you i would definitely get the zeiss filter, since you can have it at such a cheap price.
for starters Zeiss filters have the Zeiss coatings on them
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18th July 2010, 10:28 PM #3
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If it's a true Zeiss, then it's a no-brainer... the Zeiss coating is superior... again check it's made by Zeiss and not some licensed version...
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20th July 2010, 12:00 AM #4
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Ic, thanks guys

though, nobody compared the differenct brands directly?
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20th July 2010, 12:04 AM #5
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Quote Originally Posted by shadowoflight  View Post
Ic, thanks guys

though, nobody compared the differenct brands directly?
Maybe if you did some googling you could find something. But in general, filter reviews are the last thing on people's priority list.
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20th July 2010, 09:28 AM #6
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Default Re: Filters: Zeiss vs Hoya vs B+W
Here is my view about filters...

Buy the best you could afford.

Zeiss filter has their signature T* coating.
Hoya Pro 1D
B+W
Minolta, Canon and Nikon do produce very fine UV filter too...

I won't touch the cheapest one, always buy the best. Great filter aren't cheap and should be factor in when buying a lens. If you spend $1000 on a lens, you should not feel $100 is too much to pay for your filter.

Filter is not part of your lens optical design, hence by choosing the best one, there will no IQ degradation. You don't want crap filter that degrades your lens.

I don't think you will find much review on filters and if you are in doubt and don't use your lens much, then filter is not a necessity but something were to scratch the front element, it will be a lot more expensive.

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Quote Originally Posted by Rashkae  View Post
Maybe if you did some googling you could find something. But in general, filter reviews are the last thing on people's priority list.
I usually post only as a last resort coz I always do my research before committing to something...but it's really hard to find proper reviews and comparisons for filters.

Most of the existing forums posts even at places like dpreview are more of 'I've been using xxx so it's good so far'

Practically no comparisons =\
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Here is my view about filters...

Buy the best you could afford.

Zeiss filter has their signature T* coating.
Hoya Pro 1D
B+W
Minolta, Canon and Nikon do produce very fine UV filter too...

I won't touch the cheapest one, always buy the best. Great filter aren't cheap and should be factor in when buying a lens. If you spend $1000 on a lens, you should not feel $100 is too much to pay for your filter.

Filter is not part of your lens optical design, hence by choosing the best one, there will no IQ degradation. You don't want crap filter that degrades your lens.

I don't think you will find much review on filters and if you are in doubt and don't use your lens much, then filter is not a necessity but something were to scratch the front element, it will be a lot more expensive.

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Ok, thanks

Which was one of my concerns. Coz I see people spending a lot of time and money looking for a good lens then they anyhow hantam one filter.

I'm like, wait a minute, doesn't the filter go ON TOP OF the lens ? So, what goes through the lens will effect the outcome wouldn't it?

crappy filter + great lens = crappy photos eh?

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Wah bro,

if you are able to get the original CZ filters are half price, I would be interested too. Can help me to get as well?
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20th July 2010, 01:55 PM #10
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crappy filter + great lens = crappy photos eh?

thanks again
Not really crappy photos.... crappy photos comes from the photographer.

It simply just degrade the IQ of the lens as much as the crap filter... that's all.

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20th July 2010, 05:40 PM #11
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I would agree that if can afford to buy a expensive lens like CZ/G/L which costs few thousands of dollars, a good filter is a good match to it.

If you buy a cheapo $100+ lens, then go for the cheapest filter then. No point the filter cost more expensive than the lens itself.

Coming to your questions, I have once did a non-scientific tests with my friends before.

His gear: Canon 500D
Lens: 24-70L
Filter: B+W

Mine: A700
Lens: Sony 18-250
Filter: $12 Tokina filter

Results: At same settings and parameters, all my pictures beat the hell out of his in sharpness, contrast and colours...to the extent that he sold off all his canon gears and switched to A700...
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Wah bro,

if you are able to get the original CZ filters are half price, I would be interested too. Can help me to get as well?
Me too
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20th July 2010, 08:53 PM #13
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Quote Originally Posted by Ouverture  View Post
I would agree that if can afford to buy a expensive lens like CZ/G/L which costs few thousands of dollars, a good filter is a good match to it.

If you buy a cheapo $100+ lens, then go for the cheapest filter then. No point the filter cost more expensive than the lens itself.

Coming to your questions, I have once did a non-scientific tests with my friends before.

His gear: Canon 500D
Lens: 24-70L
Filter: B+W

Mine: A700
Lens: Sony 18-250
Filter: $12 Tokina filter

Results: At same settings and parameters, all my pictures beat the hell out of his in sharpness, contrast and colours...to the extent that he sold off all his canon gears and switched to A700...
AHAHAhaha that one Canon's fault leh
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20th July 2010, 08:56 PM #14
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lol I'm getting the sony zeiss ones, not the pro ones

check amazon ^^

even with delivery via vpost I'll save about 30-40%

and I may have a friend who has a cousin coming back from the US who may help
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Default Re: Filters: Zeiss vs Hoya vs B+W
just buy the B+w or the Hoya pro 1 digital ones. of cos if you feel the zeiss ones are within your budget then go for them as well. As for how they perform more or less the same. Putting a filter on top of most lenses would already affect their image quality against strong light sources. i have tried a few of these branded filters and found the performance of my lense better without the filter. less light refraction and more resistant to ghosting or flaring. personal opinion thats all.
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I have used hoya before and their CPL thens to give a warm yellowish tint (like sigma lens). I have used B+W CPL since and not turning back.
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thanks everyone for your contributions ^^

keep'em coming!
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Default Re: Filters: Zeiss vs Hoya vs B+W
A filter affect the IQ due to the quality and amount of light that's allow to pass through it.
Flare, reflection, vignetting and ease of cleaning are factors to the high pricing filters.
Here's my personal favourite would be Kenko Zeta now in terms of price & overall quality
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My contribution here is that then zeiss and bw are much easier to clean. Hoyas can be a rainbow mess when cleaning. Zeiss wipe clean in one pass more often. More convenient at a price. I generally use bw xS nano, but they don't hold my zeiss caps very well so that's pretty annoying, zeiss for zeiss I suppose
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